This blog entry on picking web frameworks is quite interesting. It doesn't give a lot of detail, and it acknowledges this, but it does show the struggles someone goes through trying to pick the right framework for the job (and one that fits his mind). Wyatt Baldwin considered, among other frameworks, Zope, and had the following to say: Grok needs a great relational database integration story. Grok already has a great database story: by default, we use an object database: the ZODB. The ZODB is great as you can just store normal Python objects. You can persist complicated nested structures easily. But this entry isn't about the ZODB. Relational databases are also great. You can query tables every which way very easily. You can manage your data in a RDMS, a familiar system for many, and integrate with existing RDMS that already exist in many places. The Grokkerdam sprint is coming up in a few weeks. I've put some
topics people may want to work on during the sprint on the wiki
page. Since those topics are just one-liners, I figured I might expand
a bit on them here. The sprinters are not required to pick these tasks
of course, and can choose something else entirely. If you have ideas,
pleases expand the list of tasks! There is a PyCon UK. There is a PyCon Italy. Just now I saw the announcement of a PyCon France. I understand why these conferences happen - local user communities will want to see conferences where most talks are in their own language and have a bigger selection of talks relevant to the local community. Zope has been under development since 1996. It wasn't called Zope back
then yet: it was called bobo, and later pieces were called Principia,
and only in 1998 did it become Zope. In my previous article on the Grokkerdam sprint, I discussed
various topics people may want to work on during the sprint. This blog
entry is dedicated to some more topics, all security-related. My friend Lennart's blog entry Zope 3 rocks and rolls is fascinating, not least as it has one of the most misleading titles I've ever seen. Reading that title, you'd be surprised Lennart talks mostly about a series of difficulties encountered with Zope 3 and decision to switch to Plone for a project instead. The Zope Foundation is very happy to announce it has five projects accepted by the Google Summer of Code. Thank you Google! In this article, I will introduce the projects, students and mentors. It happened a few days already, but I hadn't mentioned it here yet: Grok 0.12 has been released! Thanks go to Jan-Wijbrand Kolman for again playing the role of release manager, and to all contributors that made this release possible!
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(6) Tue Apr 01 2008 17:25 Explicit is better than implicit, and what it means for Grok:
(11) Sat Apr 05 2008 15:57 No, you are smart enough for Zope:
I was having a hard time with the Pylons docs, and so I ended
screwing around with Grok (which actually looks fairly interesting)
and even took a look at the Zope 3 site. I’m sure Zope is really
awesome or whatever, but it might as well suck. Every time I look at
that site, I’m just like “WTF! This shit has been around for like
five years!” Anyway, I might just not be smart enough for Zope.
[More] (15) Tue Apr 08 2008 11:27 SQLAlchemy with Grok:
(3) Fri Apr 11 2008 16:16 Grokkerdam sprint topics:
(15) Sat Apr 12 2008 11:57 Local European PyCons and EuroPython:
(12) Mon Apr 14 2008 16:22 Porting Zope to different Pythons:
Thu Apr 17 2008 14:20 Grok security: more Grokkerdam sprint topics:
(6) Sat Apr 19 2008 16:07 Grok takes Zope 3 the rest of the way:
Wed Apr 23 2008 17:42 Zope Foundation in the Google Summer of Code:
Fri Apr 25 2008 01:32 Grok 0.12 released!:
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